ascetic
04-21 03:29 PM
Mother fucker I am not married and I dont have kids.
And I thought I should give the forum website a visit in the afternoon during my tea break to see in what sort of disarray it is in. Not surprised, I am not surprised. :(
And I thought I should give the forum website a visit in the afternoon during my tea break to see in what sort of disarray it is in. Not surprised, I am not surprised. :(
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lvinaykumar
04-12 01:00 PM
calm down people IV is doing just fine.....we need to stay focused....
vpgreencard
09-12 07:57 AM
I am also on EAD and recently booked an house. Just pay 5% down payment and enjoy. I want my Kids to be raised in good neigbourhood and school. If my GC rejected , I will happily go back to India.
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desi3933
06-18 12:17 PM
AND ONE MORE THING. THESE PROCESSING DATES ARE FOR RENEWAL APPLICATIONS. NOT FOR NEW APPLICATIONS. FROM MY EXPERIENCE I SAW FIRST TIME FILERS ARE GETTING THEM IMMEDIATELY THAN RENEWALS WHICH WERE TAKING 2-3 MONTHS.
Incorrect. It does not matter if it is initial or a renewal.
Incorrect. It does not matter if it is initial or a renewal.
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dagabaaj
12-17 02:57 PM
we have professional lobbyists. and they cost the erath.
and that is why we need contributions. as long people "don't believe" we don't succeed. it's up to you, it's your issue as much as mine. professionals cost a lot of money, and this thread is quibbling over 20 and 50 bucks. anyway who is the knight on the white horse coming to rescue us? it's just us buddy, and we have to do our best. i like your analytical thinking. we need you to join in and help. any number of volunteers is less imho...
.....if ppl want to contribute lesser amounts all they need to do is find some like minded friends pooling their resources and making it into a big one time contribution. I have tried to convince some of guys I know over here but to no avail....less said the better...also tried using the charm of a good bottle of scotch to do the job...no good.....but we need to keep trying......bickering will not lead us anywhere....
and that is why we need contributions. as long people "don't believe" we don't succeed. it's up to you, it's your issue as much as mine. professionals cost a lot of money, and this thread is quibbling over 20 and 50 bucks. anyway who is the knight on the white horse coming to rescue us? it's just us buddy, and we have to do our best. i like your analytical thinking. we need you to join in and help. any number of volunteers is less imho...
.....if ppl want to contribute lesser amounts all they need to do is find some like minded friends pooling their resources and making it into a big one time contribution. I have tried to convince some of guys I know over here but to no avail....less said the better...also tried using the charm of a good bottle of scotch to do the job...no good.....but we need to keep trying......bickering will not lead us anywhere....
GC_2008
09-20 01:29 PM
Both Franklin and GooblyWoobly have a valid point, but let's not offend anyone on the forum. I see a trend on this forum where some people are trying to differentiate people who attended the rally and who did not. Should we divide the forum to 2 groups now? One being "attended" and the other "no show". It is totally childish... I contributed some money to IV as well since I believe in its effort, and I did not include that in my signature to say "contributed $$$". Do not take your frustration out on anyone 'cause you know other people have the same right... I am not a programmer but it is a endless loop...
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chanduv23
04-23 05:27 PM
I completely agree with you. However our problem is 'how do we organize a massive protest". IV is a loose affiliation of people affected by the immigration problems. They all realize the importance of fighting, however majority of them are unwilling to contribute personal time/money/energy for this cause. Flower campaign was first time in recent history, when legal immigrants showed some unity to express their anger and frustation.
It was predicted that once 485 is filed, people have EAD, and spouse working ... affected people will loose the apetite to carry on the fight. And that's what precisely took place. The biggest chellange is to let the affected people realize that if they do not come out and fight, no one will take care of their interest. It seems everyone is waiting for others to go out and fight, so that they can reap the benefits without any struggle. Now tell me my friend "how do we organize a massive protest??"
excellent analysis. After the flower campaign, and during the rally, IV formed state chapters and state chapters have been designed in such a way that efforts can be organized in an effective manner.
There is always some activity or the other going on in the state chapters, in fact in our chapter we organized some law maker meetings in DC this week and some members attended the meetings.
Lobbying is a very effective tool and the more the numbers and support, the more effective lobbying works out.
I would strongly recommend that the members join their respective state chapters and organize grassroots efforts.
Unless we help ourselves, no one is going to help us.
It was predicted that once 485 is filed, people have EAD, and spouse working ... affected people will loose the apetite to carry on the fight. And that's what precisely took place. The biggest chellange is to let the affected people realize that if they do not come out and fight, no one will take care of their interest. It seems everyone is waiting for others to go out and fight, so that they can reap the benefits without any struggle. Now tell me my friend "how do we organize a massive protest??"
excellent analysis. After the flower campaign, and during the rally, IV formed state chapters and state chapters have been designed in such a way that efforts can be organized in an effective manner.
There is always some activity or the other going on in the state chapters, in fact in our chapter we organized some law maker meetings in DC this week and some members attended the meetings.
Lobbying is a very effective tool and the more the numbers and support, the more effective lobbying works out.
I would strongly recommend that the members join their respective state chapters and organize grassroots efforts.
Unless we help ourselves, no one is going to help us.
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chanduv23
10-07 06:21 PM
Just make sure you don't get yourself booked under DUI...
Unless they book u for riding MTA :)
Unless they book u for riding MTA :)
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cbpds
07-05 04:19 PM
Too bad u fell for Obama's political POS :)
After listening to his crystal cut views about fixing broken immigration system, my confidence level is boosted and felt like Dr.Obama has guts to deal this challenging CIR initiative for the better future of immigrants and for families of all of those hardworking smart legal immigrants who have been waiting for approvals from past 10 years. Hope it's not alluring speech for his upcoming elections. Problem clearly persists with politicians who don't like our EB VISA applicant community.
I think these following things should be the high priority items for IV core team and to all of us. People who have been patiently waiting to file for 485 since JULY 2007 are loosing hopes based on ongoing immigration trends. I think that it would take at least another 2 or 3 years to pass the CIR and to see it's law in action if GOP fellas have guts and to let this pass it successfully. I think that we should focus on two things to minimize the damage to our personal and professional lives.
I think one quick solution for fixing the issue of century old broken immigration system of USCIS is by allowing disciplined and long waited legal immigrant applicant to file for 485 application once his/her (I-140) application is approved. (Technically, I-140 is the real application for employment based green card. It makes sense for allowing applicant to file for AOS application (I-485 for personal information). this is justifiable with the current USCIS practice as USCIS doesn't approve his/her green card even if his/her PD ( Priority Date) is current unless they have visas to allocate for the case, so it should make prefect sense for 140 approved applicants to allow them to file for I-485)
Another thing is about huge EB backlogs for this broken system , that can be fixed temporarily by supporting and passing the recapture bill which allocates visas of those unused and wasted around 400K immigrant visas of last several years..
After listening to his crystal cut views about fixing broken immigration system, my confidence level is boosted and felt like Dr.Obama has guts to deal this challenging CIR initiative for the better future of immigrants and for families of all of those hardworking smart legal immigrants who have been waiting for approvals from past 10 years. Hope it's not alluring speech for his upcoming elections. Problem clearly persists with politicians who don't like our EB VISA applicant community.
I think these following things should be the high priority items for IV core team and to all of us. People who have been patiently waiting to file for 485 since JULY 2007 are loosing hopes based on ongoing immigration trends. I think that it would take at least another 2 or 3 years to pass the CIR and to see it's law in action if GOP fellas have guts and to let this pass it successfully. I think that we should focus on two things to minimize the damage to our personal and professional lives.
I think one quick solution for fixing the issue of century old broken immigration system of USCIS is by allowing disciplined and long waited legal immigrant applicant to file for 485 application once his/her (I-140) application is approved. (Technically, I-140 is the real application for employment based green card. It makes sense for allowing applicant to file for AOS application (I-485 for personal information). this is justifiable with the current USCIS practice as USCIS doesn't approve his/her green card even if his/her PD ( Priority Date) is current unless they have visas to allocate for the case, so it should make prefect sense for 140 approved applicants to allow them to file for I-485)
Another thing is about huge EB backlogs for this broken system , that can be fixed temporarily by supporting and passing the recapture bill which allocates visas of those unused and wasted around 400K immigrant visas of last several years..
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wellwishergc
04-03 11:53 AM
I agree with each and every word of your posting!!!
IV is doing a fabulous work. Hats off to the core team!!!;
I was active during efforts towards getting the immigration provisions into the S1932 bill and I can say that the efforts today are much more organized than those for S1932; I can imagine the scrambling and the mess that we would have been today, if not for IV.
Good luck, IV!!! Even if we do not succeed this time, we will have enough mileage to push our provisions within a separate bill in the near future. Keep up the good work.
I logged in this morning to get a regular update and came across this thread.
I am surprised to this discussion and the heated debate. Tides and Ebbs are a part of what we do. I think we must all be satisfied that we have IV to represent us. Think about it guys, we would have no voice if it were not for IV. I sincerely hope something comes out of all this efforts that all of us have put in. We have a good thing going here and lets not stop.
Even if nothing happens, I will be content that we have made efforts. Not just a tiny efforts but a big ones. Kudos to everyone who is contributing ideas and money. Keep the good work going and let us know what we have to do to help you all.
tidesandebbs
IV is doing a fabulous work. Hats off to the core team!!!;
I was active during efforts towards getting the immigration provisions into the S1932 bill and I can say that the efforts today are much more organized than those for S1932; I can imagine the scrambling and the mess that we would have been today, if not for IV.
Good luck, IV!!! Even if we do not succeed this time, we will have enough mileage to push our provisions within a separate bill in the near future. Keep up the good work.
I logged in this morning to get a regular update and came across this thread.
I am surprised to this discussion and the heated debate. Tides and Ebbs are a part of what we do. I think we must all be satisfied that we have IV to represent us. Think about it guys, we would have no voice if it were not for IV. I sincerely hope something comes out of all this efforts that all of us have put in. We have a good thing going here and lets not stop.
Even if nothing happens, I will be content that we have made efforts. Not just a tiny efforts but a big ones. Kudos to everyone who is contributing ideas and money. Keep the good work going and let us know what we have to do to help you all.
tidesandebbs
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sunnyg
07-14 04:34 PM
Emailed to 2 Ohio Senators and 1 rep. The web site is not letting me to email Representatives other than my the one belonging to my home area. Is there anything we can do to Email it to other Representatives?
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hindu_king
04-07 02:08 PM
There will be no movement in May bulletin, but June bulletin will be Jan 1 2006 for EB2. I'm guessing this based on last 3 years, where there was no movement in May but had significant jump every June.
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ashwin_27
04-20 11:56 PM
those who were at the advocacy day saw the amount of behind the scenes efforts IV core and coalition partners are putting in. We are lucky to have folks who have a deep understanding of the politics in DC as well as public policy. So I am sure that from a lobbying and advocacy viewpoint with lawmakers in DC...the best is being done.
It is up to our members to meet with local lawmaker offices and push our/IV provisions so that the DC offices get pushed from the local offices as well and there is a more well rounded awareness/understanding of what we need.
It is not a question of whether lawmakers know what we need..it is a question of making enough noise and frequent noise so that our provisions are constantly on their mind.
Reading the article that a member posted a link for the other day...where there was mention of how thousands of FAIR and NumbersUSA members clogged DC lawmaker office phone lines against CIR when it was brought up in 2007, shows the reality of the situation and on the other hand how naive our EB community is.
I don't know if IV is already doing it...but we need to meet all these lawmakers who are considering immigration reform....get the details of the bills they are proposing....see what the common benefits are...and help them to converge toward a unified bill that will help all.
A difficult task ....but it needs to be done if we have to have any hope in passing some meaningful legislation.
It is up to our members to meet with local lawmaker offices and push our/IV provisions so that the DC offices get pushed from the local offices as well and there is a more well rounded awareness/understanding of what we need.
It is not a question of whether lawmakers know what we need..it is a question of making enough noise and frequent noise so that our provisions are constantly on their mind.
Reading the article that a member posted a link for the other day...where there was mention of how thousands of FAIR and NumbersUSA members clogged DC lawmaker office phone lines against CIR when it was brought up in 2007, shows the reality of the situation and on the other hand how naive our EB community is.
I don't know if IV is already doing it...but we need to meet all these lawmakers who are considering immigration reform....get the details of the bills they are proposing....see what the common benefits are...and help them to converge toward a unified bill that will help all.
A difficult task ....but it needs to be done if we have to have any hope in passing some meaningful legislation.
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indian111
06-30 11:35 AM
AP apporved in 25 days from TSc
E-filed on May 22nd and got approval on June 27.
E-filed on May 22nd and got approval on June 27.
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crazy_apple
09-11 03:23 PM
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3800.html
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Macaca
08-12 11:23 AM
Pending cases = EB + Family + Refugee + Asylum + ... = Backlogged cases + Unripe cases = 1,275,795 (page 11) + 1,316,740 (Figure 1, page 14) = 2,592,535 (as of March 2007)
What is an unripe case?
even if the application or petition were approved today, a benefit could not be conferred for months or years to come. (page 11)
cases that do not have an available visa or an FBI name check, and cases that are in suspense for other reasons deemed beyond USCIS’ control (page 12)
There will be severe consequences from rapid fluctuations in priority dates.
If the priority date became current today, due to delayed USCIS processing and thus underutilization of visa numbers, some have predicted that within a few months as many as 500,000 to 750,000 individuals now residing in the United States under a temporary worker visa could apply for a green card.
Additionally, DOL’s recent backlog elimination efforts, scheduled to be completed by September 30, 2007, are predicted to add 70,000 or more approved labor certifications yielding as many as 170,000 additional green card applications.
As USCIS begins to complete these applications and request visa numbers from DOS, the 140,000 statutorily authorized visa numbers will be used. DOS then will be required to retrogress priority dates.
Consequently, most applicants in this scenario will find themselves trapped whereas they anticipated timely receipt of a green card, their wait exceeds seven or more years.
In addition, all future employment-based green card applicants effectively would be barred from applying for many years.
(From page 35 of Ombudsman's Report (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/CISOMB_Annual_Report_2007.pdf))
What is an unripe case?
even if the application or petition were approved today, a benefit could not be conferred for months or years to come. (page 11)
cases that do not have an available visa or an FBI name check, and cases that are in suspense for other reasons deemed beyond USCIS’ control (page 12)
There will be severe consequences from rapid fluctuations in priority dates.
If the priority date became current today, due to delayed USCIS processing and thus underutilization of visa numbers, some have predicted that within a few months as many as 500,000 to 750,000 individuals now residing in the United States under a temporary worker visa could apply for a green card.
Additionally, DOL’s recent backlog elimination efforts, scheduled to be completed by September 30, 2007, are predicted to add 70,000 or more approved labor certifications yielding as many as 170,000 additional green card applications.
As USCIS begins to complete these applications and request visa numbers from DOS, the 140,000 statutorily authorized visa numbers will be used. DOS then will be required to retrogress priority dates.
Consequently, most applicants in this scenario will find themselves trapped whereas they anticipated timely receipt of a green card, their wait exceeds seven or more years.
In addition, all future employment-based green card applicants effectively would be barred from applying for many years.
(From page 35 of Ombudsman's Report (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/CISOMB_Annual_Report_2007.pdf))
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Desertfox
01-14 12:47 PM
The Employment Based Immigration section explains how they will make a task force to prevent illegal workers from being exploited. I don't see anything for legal EB workers other than this 5 year thing which will start counting after this law is passed. :mad:
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dks
05-11 12:24 PM
Can anyone tell me which version of the bill are we talking about ? i mean there were several different bills the last time around and finally hagel-martinez version was selected??? which is it this time??
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chanduv23
10-12 06:46 AM
How long does it take for ppl to make up their mind on a casual get together??
Come on folks participate in this poll and drop in for the meet. If I can make it to the meet by commuting for almost 2 hrs (one way) what is stopping folks who are working few subways stops away from penn st or GCT :confused:
Looks like people are forcing themselves to resist. Everyone sees advantage in IVs activities, but actually are far from deciding that they must get active.
The more you resist, the more USCIS will resist. When you cannot care about yourselves, how can you think the lawmakers and USCIS care about u
Come on folks participate in this poll and drop in for the meet. If I can make it to the meet by commuting for almost 2 hrs (one way) what is stopping folks who are working few subways stops away from penn st or GCT :confused:
Looks like people are forcing themselves to resist. Everyone sees advantage in IVs activities, but actually are far from deciding that they must get active.
The more you resist, the more USCIS will resist. When you cannot care about yourselves, how can you think the lawmakers and USCIS care about u
sayantan76
09-22 12:20 PM
I agree that asking for complicated changes is a pain. But after meeting the lawmakers, I realized that this is the BEST way. Even the lawmakers agree and attest to this.
You are doing a reality check without even being there. Which, let's face it, is not really a reality check. It is more of your opinion and assumption.
Lets also not confuse facts vs opinions. The fact is that meeting lawmakers and educating them about our point of view is the key to this whole GC mess.
Let me ask you a simple question. What CAN be the "perceived benefit" from a rally like this that would make you think that it would be worth attending? Is it something like a guarantee for a GC in 2 months or a bill that passes next month that does everything we legals want? What is it?
Bringing attention to lawmakers about our plight. Bringing the issue right up to the Capitol. Bringing the issue up for even discussion in the various immigration meetings that are held every other day. Are these benefits not important enough for you?
appreciate your comments - but as i said in my post clearly that I accept the probability that my views are wrong.....
""on the other hand if one day it so transpires that this rally was the historic starting point of major immigration reforms triggered by a group of pioneering individuals - i would have no choice but to eat my words and hang my head in shame that i did not attend.............""
But look at it this way......i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me....if people who are waiting saw the utility of the rally....there would have been more than 2,000 in DC.........but clearly they did not.......i was willing to give it a shot - but unfortunately could not and did not want to specifically postpone something else to make it to DC.......
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........colonialism, racial discrimination etc.......if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests....besides gandhi had the courage to stand up to police brutality, get arrested etc.....in today's days and age - as white collared professionals - do we have the guts and will to do that? For example - we cannot even strike (non cooperation/ civil disobedience movement)....because we get paid by our respective private sector employers.....and our grudge is against the Govt - who do we strike against......?? and if we do strike or court arrest or adopt other forms of civil protest and by chance run up a police record in the process.......who would employ us in the future...in Gandhi's days - they did not have electronic background checks......!!
Another take - if US can have an endless source of temporary workers coming in, paying into income tax and social security taxes and medicare taxes for a few years......and going back without claiming a single dime of social benefits......its the best possible situation for US....a forever young, qualified, minimum wages (i.e prevailing wages) earning tax paying transient population supporting/ subsidizing an archaic and otherwise struggling social security and healthcare system.
another point people have been harping on (apologies for bringing this up but this is my only pet peeve amongst all the other wise great things that happen on this forum).......america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC. Are we here to improve america's competitiveness (if that was the primary purpose of our coming here - shame on us for not staying back and improving our respective motherlands' competitiveness) or our own future - if the latter - lets call a spade a spade.........
so - whats the "so what" from my post? is it to critique what IV is doing - no! The "so what" is - unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
just to take the "popular" Gandhian analogy a step further......There was Home Rule League and Congress in existence in India for a long time.....their objective was to petition the British Govt for small changes........and their ultimate goal was to get dominion status for india......only when Gandhi came on board plus supporters of other proactive forms of protest.....like Subhash Bose.....Tilak etc and the armed freedom struggle started (Bhagat Singh, Azad et al)......did Congress wake up and ask for "purna swaraj" (complete independence).......so from 1885 (founding of congress) to 1930 (Lahore Session of Congress when purna swaraj declaration was made) - nothing happened......british empire went from strength to strength.......then in 17 years - India got independence.......
pl think about what i wrote objectively......and dont jump on me just because i am playing devil's advocate
You are doing a reality check without even being there. Which, let's face it, is not really a reality check. It is more of your opinion and assumption.
Lets also not confuse facts vs opinions. The fact is that meeting lawmakers and educating them about our point of view is the key to this whole GC mess.
Let me ask you a simple question. What CAN be the "perceived benefit" from a rally like this that would make you think that it would be worth attending? Is it something like a guarantee for a GC in 2 months or a bill that passes next month that does everything we legals want? What is it?
Bringing attention to lawmakers about our plight. Bringing the issue right up to the Capitol. Bringing the issue up for even discussion in the various immigration meetings that are held every other day. Are these benefits not important enough for you?
appreciate your comments - but as i said in my post clearly that I accept the probability that my views are wrong.....
""on the other hand if one day it so transpires that this rally was the historic starting point of major immigration reforms triggered by a group of pioneering individuals - i would have no choice but to eat my words and hang my head in shame that i did not attend.............""
But look at it this way......i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me....if people who are waiting saw the utility of the rally....there would have been more than 2,000 in DC.........but clearly they did not.......i was willing to give it a shot - but unfortunately could not and did not want to specifically postpone something else to make it to DC.......
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........colonialism, racial discrimination etc.......if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests....besides gandhi had the courage to stand up to police brutality, get arrested etc.....in today's days and age - as white collared professionals - do we have the guts and will to do that? For example - we cannot even strike (non cooperation/ civil disobedience movement)....because we get paid by our respective private sector employers.....and our grudge is against the Govt - who do we strike against......?? and if we do strike or court arrest or adopt other forms of civil protest and by chance run up a police record in the process.......who would employ us in the future...in Gandhi's days - they did not have electronic background checks......!!
Another take - if US can have an endless source of temporary workers coming in, paying into income tax and social security taxes and medicare taxes for a few years......and going back without claiming a single dime of social benefits......its the best possible situation for US....a forever young, qualified, minimum wages (i.e prevailing wages) earning tax paying transient population supporting/ subsidizing an archaic and otherwise struggling social security and healthcare system.
another point people have been harping on (apologies for bringing this up but this is my only pet peeve amongst all the other wise great things that happen on this forum).......america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC. Are we here to improve america's competitiveness (if that was the primary purpose of our coming here - shame on us for not staying back and improving our respective motherlands' competitiveness) or our own future - if the latter - lets call a spade a spade.........
so - whats the "so what" from my post? is it to critique what IV is doing - no! The "so what" is - unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
just to take the "popular" Gandhian analogy a step further......There was Home Rule League and Congress in existence in India for a long time.....their objective was to petition the British Govt for small changes........and their ultimate goal was to get dominion status for india......only when Gandhi came on board plus supporters of other proactive forms of protest.....like Subhash Bose.....Tilak etc and the armed freedom struggle started (Bhagat Singh, Azad et al)......did Congress wake up and ask for "purna swaraj" (complete independence).......so from 1885 (founding of congress) to 1930 (Lahore Session of Congress when purna swaraj declaration was made) - nothing happened......british empire went from strength to strength.......then in 17 years - India got independence.......
pl think about what i wrote objectively......and dont jump on me just because i am playing devil's advocate
gsc999
09-22 01:01 PM
I respect your right to say this. You must respect my right to say "if you do nothing, nothing will happen"
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Franklin got her gc. She is still such a motivated member. IV is fortunate to have her. I didn't intend to defend her, she is more than capable to do that on her own. Just wanted to add this information because that makes a sea change in raising the level of conversation on this thread.
The contrast is amazing, people who are stuck in the system are not as involved, while members like Franklin and Aman, who have came out of the "limbo" still want to help others.
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Franklin got her gc. She is still such a motivated member. IV is fortunate to have her. I didn't intend to defend her, she is more than capable to do that on her own. Just wanted to add this information because that makes a sea change in raising the level of conversation on this thread.
The contrast is amazing, people who are stuck in the system are not as involved, while members like Franklin and Aman, who have came out of the "limbo" still want to help others.
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